Thursday, January 8

I once read somewhere:

" we get lazier and lazier in our language. The KJB was written when the english language was at utmost height, since then, we have been on a downhill slope,..." The part I will address is "The KJB was written when the english language was at utmost height". I personally use a King James Version translation of the Bible, along with many other translations. But I do not personally agree that the english language was at it's upmost height.

I believe that our language and understanding of it are ever increasing but it is and has always been limited to the extent of it's embracement.

longevity dose not prove best nor dose popular demand (think about prostitution, lying, adultery and even monarchy (not to mention M.A.S.H. which is still on tv!!!)). Consider this passage for my point:
Matthew 7:13-14
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I don't quote this passage to say that the KJV leads to destruction. Please don't think I believe that. I love my KJV! I am saying that the argument that "the most used is the best" isn't the best defense for God's Word. 
And for that matter, lets not even use the argument that any particular translation is the most successful in leading people to Christ because I live in a place where I personally don't see the fruit of it's success. I don't see many people trained up, sold out and passing it on. My great grandfather had the KJV and so did his son and his grandson, None of them raised me me up in the way I should go and I believe a lot of people today could quote that statement. I am saved by the power of the Holy Spirit not by a translation. So just to be clear my NIV does NOT say Jesus and Satan are the same, it tells me Mary WAS a virgin, it tells me that the water WAS stirred up by an angel of the lord. Remember: the footnotes are there for a reason, embrace them but never dismiss them.

And lastly: I will be NOT doing any more blogging in response to my commenters. I will from this point on either leave a comment or leave them alone. I love my readers and their opinions. I always welcome an idea that provokes thought (even though I swore off thinking in an earlier blog :).


Anonymous said...

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Since you announced you will no longer be responding...tells me you will not be considering what is said here as well. Isn't that the whole point of blogging?.I am new to this, enlighten me.

Your first believe our language and understanding of it are increasing?..that screams the question...then why are the so called new translations dumbing down the Bible? Isn't the whole idea being propogated in the so called new translations is to make it an easier read? That doesn't sound like an advancement in understanding or knowledge to me.
Your NIV changes so many words I could not begin to list them all here, I don't think the internet is that large...but a few are as follows....they changed "stablish" to "established" in Romans 16:25......they are different words with different meanings...hey, they are even spelled different...establish means the work is in progress...stablish means the work is done, to be stabilized...things that are different are not the same. The NIV changes "alway" to "always" in several passages, Alway speaks to direction...Always speaks to a time element. You cannot even get past the 1st sentence in an NIV without error,...In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. See the error?..God didn't seperate the firmament for another 5 verses...the KJB is right in using "heaven". You see, it's not about what I like, or being easier, it's about accuracy. God promised to preserve His words in Psalms 12:6-7, oh, I forgot..God didn't make that promise in the NIV...what a blunder the NIV so called translators made, their passage isn't even coherent with the context of the passage. I don't think it is necessary to post all the verses which the NIV deletes, you can look those up for yourself I feel sorry for Israel because according to the NIV, their tribulation commission has been omited in the NIV.

Secondly, you seemed to assume my defence of the KJB is related in some way to it's being around longer then the other's...I don't know how you got that from my is not about whether it is older or is about it's accuracy, ALONE!
Then you posted 2 verses from the OT book of Mathew regarding Israel in their covenant situation demanding performance on their part to obtain salvation, (that is what a covenant is by the way, the if and then command)and attempted use that to make the point I or someone else said the most used is the best defence. again it is not about popularity, it is about accuracy...Then you attempt to make a point about the translation being responsible for salvation. Well, I am not sure where to begin with that one, but I am certain you and your denomination do not, have not, or are able to distinguish that there are more than ONE Gospel in your Bible?..The NIV hides this truth in Galatians 2:7-9 and denominational error hides that fact in order to promote their individual agendas...keep them tithe checks coming! I can with no problem show at least 3 different and unique Gospels in the scriptures, each to different people in different settings at different times with distinctly different doctrines in which they operate. The problem isn't with the KJB your grandpa had...the problem is with the folks not being equipped to do the work of the ministry therefore being capable of presenting the Gospel of the Grace of God with clarity (not combining it with the Gospel of the Kingdom or the everlasting Gospel which are uniquely different and seperate doctrinally and to whom they are concerning.
Now I am worried, you said "I am saved by the power of the Holy Spirit". What did you just say?..Is that what you tell folks? The gospel without the cross?..It is the Gospel that saves anyone in this present dispensation of the Grace of God. If you are saved, it is because you have put your faith in the Gospel of the Grace of God, Jesus died for your sins, was buried and rose the 3rd day according to the scriptures...period! by grace through faith, get it? Power of the Holy Spirit?, what is that?.2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:..
Moving on....You admonish folks to embrace the "footnotes" in any Bible, and never dismiss them? error without dismission, how aweful is that? ..this is a sad day indeed and Paul is correct when he says this is a "present evil world" and encourages us to "redeem the time, because the days are evil"...Bible corruption is not a new concept, it was contemporanious in Pauls time as well..he speaks to that issue in 2 Cor 2:17. He also speaks to those that are reprobate concerning the faith, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth in 2nd Tim 3.Never coming to the knowledge of the truth and defending error go hand in hand. But you guys are SBC right?. ..wasn't it your denomination had a special meeting (conference) to discuss whether the Bible is God's word at all?..The same ministry Satan has been engaged in since Gen 3 when he questions Eve saying "yea, hath God said" questioning the authority of God's word right from the beginning...then Eve misquoted what God said, adding to and taking away from the instruction of God,,,,seems that ministry hasn't missed a beat and continues to this day.
You do not have to respond to this comment...but please take the time to consider what is said, ok?
Grace and Peace!

The 67 Mustang Convertible said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
The 67 Mustang Convertible said...

Didn't say I wouldn't comment, said I wouldn't blog in response to comments. Also you assume way to much. I closed with " I always welcome an idea that provokes thought (even though I swore off thinking in an earlier blog :)."

And to once again clarify: The Holy Spirt led Craig to tell me the gospel of Christ (Him crucified for my sins) and that same Holy Spirit revealed Himself to me as TRUTH when a few minutes before I did not believe in God, His Son or His Spirit. I believe our faith is a gift from God. This is my testimony. God saved me while I was still a sinner.

BTW even KJV used footnotes where a definitive answer wasn't available.

And I wasn't at that meeting you mentioned.

Anonymous said...

Dean, I'm not sure where you came from or really where you're coming from. I see you posting here at Claude's blog and at the Pastor's blog too, and almost every time it seems like you are the self-appointed keeper of the truth and are accusing these guys of not knowing Jesus and spreading the lies of Satan.

I guess you should be proud of yourself for being able to show "three distinct gospels" in the Scriptures and make people feel like the Good News isn't good enough because they got it from some "dumbed down" translation. It sounds like if you had it your way, only people who speak English should be able to be saved because only English readers can receive the "accurate translation". If that's the case, how "dumbed down" or "dangerous" are the 2,400 other non-English translations that might speak the truth differently - because it can be understood correctly in a different culture or context?

Accuracy is different from precision. You seem to think that a word for word translation is the only accurate translation, but it's not. It's precise, and it hits "the target" in a very tight spot. But a thought for thought translation can still hit the target and accurately convey what the original authors intended.

I'll put it another way...
ACCURACY is how close a measured value (words used to express a thought) is to the actual value (original author's intent).
PRECISION is how close the measured values (words used to express a thought) are to each other (author's actual words).

All in all, I think you're wasting your time here and at Pastor's blog, and perhaps at others where you're belittling, condemning and questioning the very salvation and intent of people you, to my knowledge, have never met and have a very limited understanding of. From what I've heard and seen for myself, these guys know Jesus Christ, are known by Him and want to see others come to a point of salvation. Do you have to continually tear that down to build yourself up?

Jenn said...

Wonderful Blog Claude. That video is so informative and eye opening. :) Thank you for sharing this.

Have a blessed day!